"Thanks and thanks again to Him who offers to the man whom the sorrows of life have assaulted and left naked–offers to him the fig leaf of the Word with which he can cover his wretchedness." -Søren Kierkegaard

A Few Objections to Reformed Theology

Posted in Good Quotes, Stuff I'm Reading, Theological by matt on Tuesday, May 25, 2010

At first I wasn’t sure how I felt about all this support-raising business. Asking people for money isn’t much fun, but there are loads of positives that make it much more enjoyable than I’d previously expected.

The truth is that (many) people really are eager to give, and most of them have interesting stories of their own. We’ve met so many amazing people so far that I’m usually more interested in hearing their story than in telling ours.


Last week Cayla and I met with a man to share about our work with PLC. He was enthusiastic about networking for us and about hearing our story, but about midway through our sit-down he let us know that it would be much easier for him to garner support for us if we were reformed.

I told him I wasn’t.

He encouraged me to carefully work through a few of the standard passages reformed people throw out (Romans 9, Ephesians 2, etc.).

I told him – in a nutshell – that I had.

He encouraged me to take some time to go through them again – just to be sure – and then we moved on to other things.

All-in-all, I walked away from the meeting feeling encouraged. Who wouldn’t be? A guy I don’t even know wants to advocate and network on our behalf.

He was by far the most gracious, least annoying hardline Calvinist I’d ever met, and I was excited about putting the sovereignty vs. free will issue back on the mind-table for the first time in years.

So, after a couple weeks of intermittent mulling sessions, I’ve pretty much arrived right back where I was last time, only this time I’m turning these objections into a blog post for all to criticize. Here’s to online transparency.

1. God ≠ the author of evil

A syllogism makes understanding this easier:

Major premise: God, in His sovereignty, preordained everything that would come to pass.

Minor premise: Evil has “come to pass.”

Conclusion: God is responsible for the evil in the world.

R.C. Sproul called this a “monstrous assault on the integrity of God” and “a radical form of supralapsarianism” in his article, Double Predestination.

But how is this different from what Calvin claimed? In his book, Concerning the Eternal Predestination of God, Calvin writes:

First, the eternal predestination of God, by which before the fall of Adam He decreed what should take place concerning the whole human race and every individual, was fixed and determined. (p.121, emphasis mine)

So, later recognizing the obvious logical tension, Calvin then writes:

First, it must be observed that the will of God is the cause of all things that happen in the world; and yet God is not the author of evil. (p.169, emphasis mine)

He continues:

“Whatever things are done wrongly and unjustly by man, these very things are the right and just works of God. This may seem paradoxical at first sight to some . . .” (p.169)

“Further what I said before is to be remembered, that since God manifests His power through means and inferior causes, it is not to be separated from them.” (p. 170, emphasis mine)

Translation: God wills everything to happen, but His creation takes the fall for the bad stuff. Thus, He’s off the hook. This is Calvin’s doctrine of “secondary causes” and, by it’s logic, me having John Calvin killed by a hit man is OK since it was the hit man who committed the act, not me. =P

**Do you see how tangled this gets when there’s no element of human responsibility? Because, if we aren’t responsible for our sinful choices, the who is?**

2. Paul’s abused, red-headed stepchapter (a.k.a., Romans 9)

As a result of Reformed theology, people are inclined to think this chapter is talking about God’s election for a very select few, and that those not chosen should shut up because God is sovereign and He can do what He wants to. And, if you read the chapter at the expense of the book’s context, that might make sense.

But Paul is actually addressing the question of Jewish identity under the new covenant and the inclusion of the Gentiles. In chapter 2 Paul argues that being Jewish isn’t much help if you can’t live up to the law. In verse 29 he makes this claim:

Better to keep God’s law uncircumcised than to break it circumcised. Don’t you see: It’s not the cut of a knife that makes a Jew. You become a Jew by who you are. It’s the mark of God on your heart, not of a knife on your skin, that makes a Jew. And recognition comes from God, not legalistic critics.


Do you get what Paul just said about what it means to be Jewish?

One writer summed it up this way: “Gentile ‘dogs’ who have faith in Christ may actually be more Jewish than ethnic Jews and go into the Kingdom while God’s chosen people are shut out! Unthinkable! Scandalous!”

Paul continues this line of thinking in 9:6 by saying, “From the outset, not all Israelites of the flesh were Israelites of the spirit. It wasn’t Abraham’s sperm that gave identity here, but God’s promise.”

So the problem here is simple: how could the chosen people miss out on God’s salvation while the ‘nasty’ Gentiles were receiving it?

Answer: it’s not about bloodline.

And this would have seemed unfair to some of Paul’s readers, which is why he writes, “Who in the world do you think you are to second-guess God? Do you for one moment suppose any of us knows enough to call God into question?” (9:20)

So the purpose of Romans 9 isn’t to narrow things down to just the few people God chooses (the Reformed view), the purpose is to include even more people – namely, the Gentiles.

The literal bloodline of Abraham isn’t what counts. It’s about faith!

So you see that it is men of faith who are the sons of Abraham. Gal. 3:7

3. Double predestination? Really?

I won’t say much here since I’ve already written so much, but this is the belief that God chooses (elects) who goes to heaven and who goes to hell, and that the decision is unalterable.

I can honestly see the logic in this. To put it crudely, if God decides who gets “in” why wouldn’t he decide who’s left “out”?

However, because I believe humans will be held accountable for their response to God’s sovereign grace, I also believe they play a part in determining their own eternity. If they don’t have any choice, well, see rant #1 above.

4. I stink at math, but…

Bottom line: there are things about our faith that are logically inconsistent and still affirmed by the Bible. Consider the math:

| God = 3 | God = 1 |

| Jesus = 100% human | Jesus = 100% divine |

Rationally, we know that 3 can’t equal 1 and that you can’t be 100% divine and human and yet we believe it. So what’s to keep us from believing that God sovereignly elects and humans have the free choice to respond to grace?

My answer: nothing. Our God is logical, but there are issues that He calls us to simply believe in spite of the logical challenges presented. I believe this is one of those issues.

10 Responses

Subscribe to comments with RSS.

  1. michaelcriner said, on Tuesday, May 25, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    Two observations:

    1. I think your friend should support you regardless if you’re *reformed* or not. That’s silly.

    2. Those who tend to argue about predestination are already predestined and should stop arguing amongst themselves, & share the gospel with all which is what Christ commanded us to do. In my *years* in ministry, I’ve never had a discussion about predestination with someone who does not know Jesus. On the same card, I’ve never argued about reformed theology with someone who doesn’t know Jesus either. This being said, I don’t hear you (or your friend) arguing, just the only word I can think of this late.

    • matt said, on Wednesday, May 26, 2010 at 10:08 am

      Ya there wasn’t any argument, and he plans to support us. He just meant he could get more people at his church on board if we are.

      I did this partially to see if I could present my own objections with clarity and partially because it was fun.

      Gimme dem geek points!

      • Michael Criner said, on Wednesday, May 26, 2010 at 2:52 pm

        You should have said “yes” – besides, Paul said to be all things to all people right? riiiiiiiiiight…. ;-)

  2. Michael Wood said, on Wednesday, May 26, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    I heard someone ask the question, “If you are reformed and believe in double predestination how could you risk having children?” How could you bring someone into the world with the chance that they may not be chosen?

    Thought it was an interesting question…

    Also, I have never heard anyone one who is not “chosen” argue for reformed theology. Easy to argue for something when you believe that you are on the side that will reap the benefits.

    I thought David Platt addressed the issue well. He said, “you don’t reconcile friends, so why do we feel such a need to reconcile free will and predestination. They work together.”

    • matt said, on Wednesday, May 26, 2010 at 10:30 pm

      Shoot, having kids is enough of a risk withOUT believing in double predestination! Can you tell the prospect still freaks me out?

      And I like that quote, by the way.

      • Ryan said, on Thursday, May 27, 2010 at 12:46 am

        Think about it though… You have the same “risk” when you have children whether you believe in double predestination or not. The only difference is whether you trust God more with the salvation of your child, or if you want to leave it entirely up to your kid, who we all know can be pretty sinful and rebellious. Personally, knowing that God is ultimately in control, and that he has the power to change my child’s heart, gives me quite a bit of comfort. We can rest in the fact that God is faithful instead of worrying that our child may not choose Christ.

      • matt said, on Thursday, May 27, 2010 at 11:11 am

        Yes! God’s sovereignty is a comforting thing. He is a BIG God!

  3. jason said, on Wednesday, May 26, 2010 at 10:21 pm

    “Our God is logical, but there are issues that He calls us to simply believe in spite of the logical challenges presented. I believe this is one of those issues.”

    I completely agree. But the big issue is this: why do some people believe and other people not believe? In other words, who has the *final* say in salvation, God or man? Thankfully, Jesus has already answered this for us (John 6:37).

    • matt said, on Wednesday, May 26, 2010 at 10:36 pm

      What a great verse for showing the both/and perspective of salvation! John 1:12-13 is another great example of this.

  4. Prayers for the Unborn « The Bogguses said, on Thursday, June 3, 2010 at 5:29 am

    […] friend of ours, Matt, recently posted his latest musings on the ‘sovereignty vs. free will’ conversation. […]

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out /  Change )

Google photo

You are commenting using your Google account. Log Out /  Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out /  Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out /  Change )

Connecting to %s

%d bloggers like this: